I had relatively interesting debate with my aunt the other day about art. My position was that nothing can top the potential or end result of pure improvisation in the moment because when ever you begin the creative process under a set and classified boundary, that preexisting structure takes away from possibilities which may arise and be called for in any given moment. For example, I said that though choreography is an art which I respect, the interpretation of that choreography by the dancers limits the potential of the performance in the moment due to the set guidelines in place, however loose those guidelines may be. I understand that it is an idealist position, but most philosophy is just that.
My aunt, having gone to acting school and having read from scripts before, believed that one could achieve the same results and feel as though they had the same creative input as any improvisation. I disagreed, but we are talking about something as thin as the fibers of artistic potential, so it is difficult to be sure.
She pointed to the collaboration of artists and stated that there was nothing lost in those instances. I agreed, but but drew the distinction between collaboration and what I call creative dependence, where by the creativity of an individual was dependent on the prior creativity of another.
I stated that this is the reason I enjoy jazz so much and said that, "Music is the purest form of art, and jazz the purest form of music; thus, jazz is the purest form of art." I enjoy jazz because much of, if not all of it is improv. I then stated that even in the case of jazz, if I, for example, were to be told to play a song in Bebop for any future moment, that moment may not call for a Bebop song and that limiting myself to a structure would limit the possible results. Thus, I said that the only way to truly capture the moment in music would be to play free jazz and lose all concepts of constraint.
Now I understand that every moment is the structure for the ensuing moment, but to define that moment is to give it an unneccesary structure which limits the potential, or at least that is what I think.
Though I was not convinced by her argument, I came to the conclusion that all art is really improvization and that those moments which appear to have structure called for that structure in that moment. Then again, to go into the moment with a set idea of what should be done artistically is to lose everything you think shouldn’t. This led me to abstract that concept and say, "History is a series of improvisations which we distinguish by these things called lives."
What do you think? And don’t say "I think you’re crazy!" please.
People have mentioned structure in jazz citing chords, harmonics,… etc. While it is structure, I would qualify it as an innate structure of music much like gravity is a structure of the universe. I’ve heard many jazz musicians, when talking about jazz students coming out on the scene, say they are going to need to "unlearn" a lot of what they learned in school. Why do you think that is? Also, musicians learn that "structure" to forget it — they don’t think about it. There are numerous great musicians, jazz and not, who knew little to nothing of music theory, Wes Motgomery being one of them.
No one seemed to touch on anything I specifically mentioned in description other than jazz.
I’ll try and sum it up in a single question:
If creativity could be quantified, would the structure created by the author (choreographer, writer..etc) limit the dynamic potential of the performance of the interpreter (dancer, actor…etc) and thus, lessen the artistic/creative potential?
5 Responses
Chicopac
May 15th, 2010 at 12:56 am
1No, structure does not limit artistic potential, and so far it has actually been necessary for the best art humanity has produced. Jazz itself is rife with structure, and the only reason improvisation in jazz is possible is because it has a structure to go against. The same goes for revolutionary visual art– its revolutionary nature must revolt against something. An interesting example in this context is the closest thing to improvisation that the art world has, "naive" or "outsider" art. Artists working without any knowledge of what sort of art has come before them, just painting or writing whatever the hell comes to them, like Henry Darger or Henri Rousseau. Except Rousseau did have knowledge of past art, but anyway… the point is, is this art the purest? Maybe. Is it the best? Probably not.
If you think about it, there is an additional "structure" at work in the best jazz artists. They have spent their entire life, most of them, becoming masters of a basic structure, music, and how to use that structure in ever more complex ways, and it is on the basis of this immense knowledge/skill-base that they are able to create new things out of thin air on stage, rendering their improvisation only possible with an advanced structural knowledge.
As a good example, one of the best books ever written attempted to destroy all past and future literature, to overturn them completely by deploying all the old methods to create something entirely new, and it had an incredibly rigid structure within which its revolutionary machinations were performed– "Ulysses" by James Joyce.
Though many young Americans like Ginsberg, he can’t hold a candle to all the best poets, who use a complex structure to harness their creativity with concepts and ideas. Maybe you are blurring the line between improvisation and creativity– there is a psychological phenomenon called "flow" which is used by the great writer, musician, actor, etc., where the agent is so immersed in the act as to be thinking of essentially nothing else, and is working so much in the zone that they are at their best. This is the improvisation of the best jazz artists, and in the same way, the moment when the writer puts a brilliant word to paper is a form of improvisation, except they get many more chances to go back and correct or mold it.
It is highly debatable what form of art is the "purest," depending on what you mean by the purest. It is quite possible, by one definition of ‘pure’, that fully improvised music is the purest, in that it is the rawest, the least edited, but I would never say that the greatest music is by necessity the rawest. If someone could, literally without any context, improvise Beethoven or Bach or Mozart, then it would probably happen to be the best music ever produced, but that is because those happen to be some of the greatest creators of music ever, and as has happened so far in real life, that best music is the product of great toil mixed in with creativity, not improvisation in the jazz-on-stage sense.
I would argue that part of the reason art is so necessary and amazing is because it is not improvised. This is because art uses life as its subject, and life is–by definition–improvisation. Art allows us to freeze life, to showcase it, to store it on a shelf, to tease it apart and observe the details, beauties, exhilarations, opportunities, understandings and appreciations we might otherwise have missed.
To me it seems as if you are muddling improvisation and creativity. There is certainly improvisation in creativity, in the flow necessary to create good art. But I would definitely not go so far as to say that all art, if we are juxtaposing improvisation against structure, is improvisation.
CreativeSimsFan
May 15th, 2010 at 12:56 am
2I think that was very good. Jazz is really just improv, and I agree with your statement.
Happy Hiram
May 15th, 2010 at 12:56 am
3Jazz improvisation has a ton of structure. Musicians are expected to improvise ON THEIR INSTRUMENTS, and they tend to play CHORDS, and be aware of harmonics and dissonance.
In Chinese herbal medicine there are five elements and the artistic element is metal. Metal is seen as artistic because it is the ORGANIZING ELEMENT, and creating a structure in which to act is the most creative art.
All art is STRUCTURED improvisation. Unstructured improvisation is chaos.
British Shorthair
May 15th, 2010 at 12:56 am
4I think that great art is the interaction between the improvisational energy and an established structure. Without the energy, there is mere empty formalism which comes across as boring and lifeless. Without the structure, there is just the expression of emotion such as one might witness in everyday life. This might be impressive on many levels, but only by containing it in a structure is art created. Artists are therefore those who feel deeply, but are also able to channel this feeling into the form of a sonnet, sonata, statue, or painting. There is a romantic view (derived largely from Hollywood) that the artist is always a breaker of moulds and shatterer of conventions – which is why Beethoven and Michelangelo are seen to be the stereotypical "artist". It is popular because we all suspect we could do as well, given the strength of emotion that we all feel. But art acquires its universality through following form, and containing strong emotion inside a lifetime’s study of a craft. Those jazz improvisers – they can only do it because they practiced their scales relentlessly when they were younger.
Vampirebat
May 15th, 2010 at 12:56 am
5Mozart and Bach weren’t appreciated in their times because they didn’t play a "structured" style of music (while in fact the enlightenment brought the arabesque which was the the structure of these artist’s music). In fact, without improvisation (there is always structure, it’s just not always defined) there would be no reason for art. That is, if is the point of art to express and to get oneself and others thinking.
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